Rick Garnet and David Nikol posted nice, thought-provoking sets of comments to my recent post on marriage over at Mirror of Justice. I commend them to all RLL readers. It occurs to me that RLL readers might also be interested in a somewhat modified and more fully elaborated rendition of my attempts there at replying.
Rick asks, among other things, whether a priciple per which states cannot rationally deny thinly defined civil marriage rights to same-sex partners might not also prohibit states from denying such rights to larger family units. David, for his part, points out among other things that marriage in past times used to be more a matter of state than a matter of religious concern. He also suggests that polygamy is at least one form of non-nuclear familial arrangement that is socially harmful. In consequence, Rick and David severally take issue with my suggestions that (1) we perhaps ought to distinguish sharply in law between civil union and ecclesial marriage, with the former contoured by Equal Protection law and the latter enjoying far-reaching autonomy under Free Exercise Law, and (2) that one upshot of proposition 1 would be that the state might best be viewed as obligated not to restrict civil unions even to couples, let alone to heterosexual couples. I've a few tentative thoughts in response:
First, I don't know much about what role marriage or its analogues played in earlier religious traditions or in the earlier phases of presently continuing religious traditions. Nor do I know much about the political, as sometimes problematically distinguished from the religious, history of marriage many centuries or several millennia back. I am under the impression, however, that ecclesial courts handled marriage and family law matters in the not so distant past, with the 'king's' courts handling matters of more unambiguously state-style concern. (Didn't Chancery, for example, handle these matters in England?) I also believe, in any event, that a liberal polity such as our own aspires to be, in which all citizens are to be taken for autonomous moral equals irrespective of their faith commitments, bears a special burden of justification when it pursues policies that tend, and especially policies that intendedly tend, to support or encourage some living arrangements over others. Even a very retro-minded type (as I myself tend to be in some contexts), for example, might well be troubled by state favoring of 'nuclear' families over 'extended' families. And certainly a liberally minded type (as I tend even more strongly to be), by way of another example, will be troubled by state judgements to the effect that 'blood is thicker than water,' or any cognate judgement that systematically favors conjugal unions over more 'intentional' family arrangements, including such as are larger than 'nuclear.'
Second, I'm no expert on polygamy, and certainly I don't like the idea of 'two [or n] girls for every boy,' as I guess Jan and Dean had it in the beach movie days. After all, the corrollary would seem to be 'half [or 1/n] a boy for every girl,' which seems in potential at least to be a bit inequitable, to say the least. It is interesting, however, that this form of familial arrangement seems to have prevailed in the earlier days during which the Bible was composed, rendering it something of a puzzle that self-described 'Christian conservatives' have racked up so nasty and bigoted a track-record in the 19th century persecution of Mormons in the US. In any event, my own (very much provisional) tendency is simply to think of polygamy and polyandry as matters of vigilently enforced contract law, in which the informed consent of the truly autonomous contracting parties would constitute the principal legal - not to mention ethical - question raised by any arrangment. Presumably many who have been engaged in latterday polygamous or polyanderous familial arrangements would be found to have been illegitimately exploited under such a regime, since so many seem to have been pushed into those arrangements prior to having formed autonomous selves. But so long as the law took the autonomy and equal bargaining power requirements truly seriously, I'd see little obvious reason categorically to prohibit non-nuclear familial arrangments tout court. (Didn't Fannie Flagg's novel, 'Fried Green Tomatoes,' involve a less problematic such arrangement? I've not read the novel, but seem to recall being told that it did.)
Another, third thought in effect generalizes the view that I think might be implicit in the first two: One feature that I think constitutive of the peculiar genius of the commonlaw of (business) partnership is the fact that a p'ship can simply evolve into being, out of the temporally extended behavior of the parties to a p'ship-like relation. There need be no formal agreement in writing or even in speech. People can 'fall into' partnership, as I often think of it. It occurred to me last night, in thinking more on this subject, that the old institution of 'commonlaw marriage' might then have constituted a straightforward counterpart in the realm of domestic arrangement. I'll have to ask Eduardo's, Steve's and my splendid colleague, Cynthia Bowman, for further clarification on this, as she's truly expert on the subject. But in any event, if the speculation is correct, then just as a commonlaw business p'ship can include more than two p'ners, perhaps a commonlaw domestic p'ship should be able to do so as well, so long as the 'capacity to consent' is as verifiably present in the one case as in the other. And if so, then there would seem no reason not to permit statutory domestic p'ship to do likewise, again as in the case of (now statutory) business p'ship. The potential legal and moral issues involved seem to be much the same, after all -- all of them straightforward contractual issues so far as 'internal,' governance relations are concerned, and straightforward tort and b'ruptcy issues so far as 'external,' third party relations are concerned. It's all about the special vulnerabilities to which people internal and external to p'ships become prone in virtue of the p'ship relation itself. It's not clear to me that such vulnerabilities can only be dealt with by categorically requiring all p'ships to have no more than two members, let alone to heterosexual members. The only possible argument to the contrary that comes to mind would sound in the infeasibility, as an adminstrative matter, of effectively policing the bona fide informed consent of the putatively autonomous parties. (Note that a similar argument seems to be proferred by opponents of doctor-assisted suicide. The claim is that it's just not feasible for the state to ensure bona fide consent. Is this true? It seems to me this might constitute the proverbial $64k question here.)
That segues into a fouth and final thought for now. As just noted, business p'ship law is largely about the obligations the p'ners incur to one another and to third parties by dint of the relations inter se that they fall into, given that those relations give rise to new vulnerabilities. Presumably commonlaw marriage and domestic p'ship law have been and would be largely the same, at least in part, irrespective of the number of parties to the 'relational contract' involved. Insofar as presentday domestic p'ship law is instead about benefits from fellow p'ners and from third parties to which p'ners become entitled by dint of their relations to their p'ners (inheritance, insurance, hospital visitation rights, etc.), well, that's long been statutorily determined on an ad hoc basis, so far as I can tell. I see no reason why that would not continue, with various commonsense adjustments made in response to unanticipated problems that arise in the face of the sundry alternative domestic arrangements that might develop, were we to recognize domestic p'ships that included more than the now most familiar dyadic and 'nuclear familial' forms.
Thoughts?
No, problem. Sorry I didn't respond earlier. I was wondering what your views were, because I don't know anyone who practices this model or has any interest/knowledge in it, so I can't really ask what they think; and I appreciate you answering my questions. Like you said it would benefit me to have my own projector but it would be very costly and a hassle.
Posted by: True Religion Jeans | 10/10/2011 at 02:04 AM
Thanks, Jimbino.
In enterprise-organizational law, we call the form that you have in mind a 'sole proprietorship.' The law does not tend to privilege firm forms by reference to the number of constituents, and I'm certainly open to argumentation that it ought not to do so in respect of living arrangements either. I can anticipate neutral arguments in favor of benefitting multiperson families - which would include single parents with children - in certain ways: for example, by dint of their sparing the public fisc the costs of orphan-rearing. But the important point would be that neutrality itself - the principle that all members of the society in question must benefit by any public measure that confers benefits upon any particular form of living arrangment.
On your constitutional amendment suggestion, my guess is that a creative lawyer could do all the work you would like to see done here simply by appeal to the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. The difficulty of course would be getting all the bigoted rightwing judges to buy the requisite interpretation. But this might be less difficult than securing a new Amendment - at least an Amendment that does not itself cater to bigotry.
Posted by: Bob Hockett | 08/13/2010 at 11:18 AM
How about a partnership of one person. It is the singles (including single mothers) that have so much to lose by increasing the numbers of couples who will be feeding at the public trough of over 1000 special benefits ranging from tax and inheritance to healthcare and immigration privileges.
I propose a Constitutional amendment outlawing all mention of sex, marital or family status in all laws of the land. There will be no justice until this is done; all this talk of extending the benefits of marriage to gays skirts the real issue.
Posted by: Jimbino | 08/13/2010 at 09:52 AM
Great observations, Polly - many thanks.
Though I lack expertise and am accordingly just musing aloud with this post, I can certainly appreciate that the consequences of state-sanctioned n-ary unions throughout multiple bodies of law might be far-reaching indeed. I'm not sure that they need be intractible or unmanageable, however.
The n-1 remaining members of a p'ship group might be treated as 1 by existing laws, for example, where sundry benefits following on loss of a partner are concerned. This would correspond, more or less, to the law's current treatment of business p'ships in most states (those that have adopted the '97 UPA) more or less as entities, which hold assets in their own names. The benefits would then be a bit like a joint savings account, the rights to draw upon subject to what ever governance arrangements have been agreed upon by p'ners in advance. Absent such agreement, the default rule might well be that found in the aforementioned business p'ship context, with the p'ship bearing the ownership right, and the p'ners all bearing identical rights of disposition. Something like this might work for inheritance, pension, insurance, SSI and related regimes.
As for loss of consortium, I find the existing regime screwy and arbitrary in any event. The presence of many indirectly harmed lovers in the face of a loved one's wrongful death ought to be viewed along 'thin skull rule' lines, it seems to me, quite apart from the rules governing marriage. But if changing the rules here isn't on the cards, then it would seem to me that the n-1 p'ners might sue in loss of consortium as a sort of class, proxied-for by one representative person. What ever proceeds are awarded in court then would awarded the ongoing p-ship as a continuing entity, along the lines mentioned just above.
As for the criminal law matters you mention, it seems to me that you're right - at least insofar as presentday law is concerned. (Alas, it wasn't always thus, and Mormons with long memories - not to mention the ghosts of the Cathars, were they existent and talking - doubtless could say graphically why.) I nevertheless think there could be value in formal state-recognition even in this realm, however. For it surely would at least partly remove the taint of state-stigmatization that still seems to hover about communes and 'alternative living arrangements' and so forth.
That is the legacy of our once having fallen even further short of our own professed liberal aspirations than we do now. A nice way at least partly to erase that, I suspect, would be for us as a society, through our state apparatus, formally to recognize as 'legit' all harmless domestic arrangements that people freely enter into. We do it for businesses, after all. I'm tempted to say we should do it for families - as these understand themselves - as well.
Thanks again,
Bob
Posted by: Bob Hockett | 08/12/2010 at 03:27 PM
So much here to unpack. The State can't allow poly-unions without massive rework of many legal regimes that count on dyads only. Pension laws, insurance, inheritance, etc. Even tort law allows wrongful-death or loss of consortium claims to just one spouse. Paying social security to all six widows would bankrupt the system even faster.
At most, you could allow some special second-tier status to the extra spouses/partners, but only one primary one. Or you could instead amend ALL of the laws built around the dyad, but I don't see that happening.
As for current law, I fail to see how the government can prohibit de facto polygamy, or group cohabiting, as long as only one marriage seeks civil recognition. How is a fundamentalist Mormon family different legally from Hugh Hefner and his 3 or 4 live-in girlfriends? It can't be illegal to live in a communal house with many friends and their kids and pool resources. Is it the sex? Can consensual adultery be criminalized?
Seems to me that the only things prosecutable are fraud on outsiders, such as holding yourself out as a wife, and thus procuring credit or something based on the relationship.
More later.
Posted by: Polly Ester | 08/12/2010 at 02:51 PM